tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post1548873374774827608..comments2024-03-26T09:25:02.198-04:00Comments on Hey Jenny Slater.: A little cold water on your macho parade.Astronaut Mike Dexterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01498197770701096363noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-41922589055473183492007-05-20T12:05:00.000-04:002007-05-20T12:05:00.000-04:00When did I say anyone "advocated a gangland or old...When did I say anyone "advocated a gangland or old west shootout"? It seems like <I>you're</I> the one pulling out the straw men here. I said one of the common refrains was that "if they'd just allowed guns on campus, somebody could've capped the shooter and prevented the massacre from being as bad as it was" -- which, ironically, seems to be <I>precisely</I> the argument being made by the article that you yourself linked.<BR/><BR/>You are right that "armed resistance" can help to save lives in situations like these, but as the Bessemer robbery demonstrates, that's certainly not <I>automatically</I> the case, and that's the only point I'm trying to make here -- that knee-jerk efforts to allow more guns in the wake of incidents like Virginia Tech are every bit as short-sighted and counterproductive as knee-jerk efforts to add <I>more</I> gun restrictions just for the sake of adding them.Astronaut Mike Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01498197770701096363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-1023912000628642732007-05-19T20:40:00.000-04:002007-05-19T20:40:00.000-04:00The article doesn't support your argument, Doug. T...The article doesn't support your argument, Doug. The man sought cover and held the killer at bay until he could be subdued and arrested. How did he do that? By using his gun. Second amendmend advocates support responsible gun ownership. I don't believe I've ever seen anybody advocate a gangland or old west shootout like you are implying. I was going to list incidents that show how guns can be used to protect people, but this blog beat me to it. <I>http://freestudents.blogspot.com/2007/04/when-mass-killers-meet-armed-resistance.html = <B>Classically Liberal: When mass killers meet armed resistance</B></I> It details a couple school shootings and a mall shooting that were stopped by responsible gun owners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-5803326237761647102007-05-18T13:46:00.000-04:002007-05-18T13:46:00.000-04:00Dangit. Consider the problem corrected. FYI, the T...Dangit. Consider the problem corrected. FYI, the <I>Times Daily</I> story doesn't appear to be all that different from what the <I>Birmingham News</I> story said -- the gun owner did help "buy time" for the police, but he left the bank in the middle of the robbery without having fired any shots at the robber.Astronaut Mike Dexterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01498197770701096363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-42812118055765477902007-05-18T10:00:00.000-04:002007-05-18T10:00:00.000-04:00Doug,Since you didn't link to the article at the B...Doug,<BR/><BR/>Since you didn't link to the article at the Bham News, I can't tell if you're just a liar, or if the article in question didn't tell the whole story.<BR/><BR/>This article from the Decatur Times Daily makes your "good Samaritan" look a bit more heroic than how you attempted to portray him to us:<BR/>http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070516/APN/705161813Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-18100857493386953232007-05-17T22:39:00.000-04:002007-05-17T22:39:00.000-04:00Yeah, this is really more of a chorus than a refra...Yeah, this is really more of a <I>chorus</I> than a refrain. You’re such an asshole, Gillett.<BR/><BR/><I>“Whenever I've seen one of those ‘Gun-free Zone’ signs, especially outside of a school filled with our youngest and most vulnerable citizens, I've always wondered exactly who these signs are directed at. Obviously, they don't mean much to the sort of man who murdered 32 people just a few days ago.”</I><BR/>“<A HREF="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTIwYzMyZmQ1YzQ1MDNmZTMyYzQ1Y2U3YTU4YzNmNGE=" REL="nofollow">Signs of Intelligence</A>,” Fred Thompson, NRO, 04/20/07<BR/><BR/><I>“Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun ban. Feel better yet? Didn't think so. Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?”</I><BR/>“<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/commentary.nugent/index.html" REL="nofollow">Gun Free Zones are Recipe for Disaster</A>,” Ted Nugent, CNN, 04/20/07<BR/><BR/><I>“If someone had a weapon, this wackjob Cho could have been stopped a lot sooner.”</I><BR/>“<A HREF="http://caosblog.com/5013" REL="nofollow">Virginia Tech and Gun Control</A>,” Caos Blog, 04/20/07<BR/><BR/><I>“Gun control is unConstitutional [sic] and statistics, studies, comparisons to other nations and isolated high profile crimes don't make gun regulations any more legal. I'm of course speaking about the Virginia Tech shootings and the reaction to it.”</I><BR/>“<A HREF="http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/24460.html" REL="nofollow">Gun Control and Virginia Tech</A>,” Jeremy Meister, The Conservative Voice, 04/21/07<BR/><BR/><I>“It is not in the interest of the public to disarm the honest, to interfere wholesale with personal safety of the student body, to interfere with a civil right on top of that, and to talk people out of their authority to act when facing grave danger alone. Zero-tolerance: brilliant, huh?”</I><BR/>"<A HREF="http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3719.html<br/>" REL="nofollow">Gun Control, Virginia Tech, and Answering Brady Campaign's Helmke</A>," John Longenecker, Buckeye Firearms Association, 05/07/07Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-67845840330384383972007-05-17T20:49:00.000-04:002007-05-17T20:49:00.000-04:00Nice strawman ass hole, but there was no 'refrain'...Nice strawman ass hole, but there was no 'refrain' calling for more guns anywahere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11250715.post-8567023631759370712007-05-17T17:43:00.000-04:002007-05-17T17:43:00.000-04:00Thanks for an interesting point on the story. I'm...Thanks for an interesting point on the story. I'm one of the people who generally subscribes to the theory that an armed populace is a safer one, but it's important to know that merely carrying a gun is not a surefire solution to stopping some whacko with a gun.<BR/><BR/>As a sidenote, I wouldn't mind seeing an unarmed John Derbyshire take a run at an armed psychopath with two semiautomatic pistols. In fact, I might pay money to see it and would probably even renew my subscription to National Review if he did.<BR/><BR/>As Richard Kiel's shirt in Happy Gilmore said: "Guns don't kill people. I kill people."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com